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ESKImadTurk
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Hi Carol,
there is a translation of Sezen Aksu song for you as well ( check out the "Sezen Aksu " topic in "Lyrics" section please ) .
I am asking just out of curiosity, would you please tell me
a. where you heard the term " mountain Turk "
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b. why should the " mountain Turks " sing sad songs ?
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Carol
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Hi Eskimadturk
Nasil siniz? I read some Turkish literature and it may have been from transcript of writing of Aziz Nesin. I hope this term does not offend anyone. Maybe some modern euphemism? I read that people from Eastern borders are very expressive, writing many songs and poetry from the heart, so these can be quite sad songs. (Note: I don't hold any political views about Turkey, I have so much to learn about this country).
Sonra konusmak.
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Best wishes, Carol Reid from England
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FILIZ2
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Eskimadturk why are you disturbed by Carol's observation?? I have also come across many articles in USA referring to the Kurds as "mountain turks". I happen to agree with her comment that their songs are heartbreaking and touching. I'm assuming this is due to the fact that they've lived a harsh life. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I also, like Carol, have a lot to learn about my parent's country.
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ESKImadTurk
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You're right Filiz, there is a lot for you to learn about Turkey.
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Let me clarify few things here:
Carol probably meant the South East areas asbeing mountaneous and containing mountain turks (sometimes this term is used for kurds butits wrong)
The mountain Turks lives in southern (not southeastern) Turkey where some still lives in tents(not camping tents) during a period of year. They are called Yoruk and my ancestors were them. They are the last migrated ones from the Central Asia and caucasus. They do not have sad songs.Instead, they have very colorful songs.
Listen Mediterrenean section. Silifkenin Yogurdu song for example are of mountain turks.
The sad songs appear in Central Anatolia and Balkans.
Central Anatolia has some Religiously different Turks that allow music in their prayer. (Like gospel stuff in states). Therefore folk music is much much advanced in central anatolia. Try Asik Veysel and all asik tradition from the website.
The eastern and Southeastern anatolia is very much under effect of Arabic and Iraqi music. Some are related to Armenian folk music. They are not sad either. Kurdish (aka Iranian) folk music is also not sad.
Balkan music is sad because the area was torn by wars. And still they suffer. Try Arda Boylarinda from the website and see what i mean. The problem of Serbian pressure will never end. (Great Serbia idea) and muslims there will keep suffering.
Aziz Nesin is a good writer. However since it was kindly against the government (which is ok) he was using such approaches to southeastern culture pushing kurdish conflict in a litero-populist way. He was very good at it. I like reading him. But he was always on one side of the coin.
Anyhow. best regards.
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Few additions:
The most sad songs appear around Sivas region.
Some Aegean songs are very sad as well.
Some writers call Kurdish descendant citizens as mountain Turks to pronounce them assimilated (or to make humor about those who do this).
Turkey has no intention to play with the ancestorial records of its citizens. In the past, yes there were few brainwashed governments that wanted a "unique citizen profile" (like Young Turks in 1900's) but it's obviously unrealistic. There are different people in Turkey. We have many. All are equal and the difference is not recorded in anywhere. You cannot tell by looking either. There is not a unique Redneck like Turk or kurd or jew (maybe yes for some) profile.
Listen the following from the website and see:
BLACK SEA REGION: Ula Ula Niyazi
MISCALLANEOUS(Balkan Region): Arda Boylarinda
MEDITERRENEAN FOLK: Turkmen Kizi
AHMET OZDEMIR (konya): Hayde Bizim Evde
ARIF SAG (central anatolia): Gitme Turnam
MUSA EROGLU(central): Yine Kar Yagdi
NESET ERTAS (central): Sen Ciceksin Ben Ari
TOLGA CANDAR (aegean): Gerizler Basi, Cokertme
SOUTHEASTERN REGION: Malatya Malatya
IZZET ALTINMESE (miscallenaeous): Hayriyem
Listen these from folk section, also listen a song from arabesque section Ibrahim Tatlises (a famous kurdish singer) and tell which ones are sad to a foreigner (non native speaker of Turkish).
My guess would be aegean and Balkan.
(no offense to anyone or any singer)
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